{"id":3074,"date":"2021-12-15T17:13:48","date_gmt":"2021-12-15T13:43:48","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/bahaismiran.com\/?p=3074"},"modified":"2022-03-06T17:14:39","modified_gmt":"2022-03-06T13:44:39","slug":"the-result-of-a-historical-debate","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bahaismiran.com\/?p=3074&lang=en","title":{"rendered":"The result of a historical debate: Baha\u2019ism is lacking the thought for proving-(the last part)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>\u201cMy biography\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The book of the memoirs of Sheikh Ibrahim Zanjani was for the first time published in 1379 by Kavir publishing house.<\/p>\n<p>Zanjani called it \u201cMy Biography\u201d. It has been written in six chapters.<\/p>\n<p>In this debate, Zanjani condemned Mirza Varqa and then he wrote the book \u201cRaj Al-Dajjal Fi Radd Babul Dhalal\u201d to criticize and reject Babism and Baha\u2019ism creeds.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>The story of debate<\/p>\n<p>Varqa hadn\u2019t hidden to be a Baha\u2019i and said: \u201cI am ready to debate with the scholars. I would repent if I convinced. What would you say if I made them convince? Alaudduleh convinced.<\/p>\n<p>They appointed a night. They called me and late Hajji Abdussamad. It was the month of Ramadhan. We went to the governor\u2019s seat. There were a group of wealthy people. Alaudduleh said me the quality of the job and asked: \u201cAre you ready to debate?\u201d I said: \u201cI am ready\u201d. They brought several volumes of the book Varqa had brought: \u201clook, know ad answer.\u201d I said: \u201cit is impossible to bring him?\u201d he ordered him to be brought. They brought him and said: \u201cThis man is ready to debate with you.\u201d I said: \u201cI am ready, too.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Several scholars were present there.<\/p>\n<p>He was settled in front of me.<\/p>\n<p>I said: \u201cThe claimant and the one who reject, must be recognized. Do you confess the legitimacy of the religion of Islam or you say a new religion has been brought having new reforms and conditions or not. I will be claimant if you reject Islam otherwise you will be claimant.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He said: \u201cIslam is right and I am claimant.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I said: \u201cNow you are claimant. To what are you inviting people?\u201d he said: \u201cTo what was proven and fulfilled in Islam especially in Shia religion that will come and you were waiting for him.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I said: \u201cThat is, you say the promised Mahdi who is said in Islam to come in future had come before.<\/p>\n<p>He said: \u201cYes\u201d!<\/p>\n<p>I said: \u201cI didn\u2019t know that person. Say this is such and such person. Now, he has come. I had a person having definite descriptions that we will confirm if we reconcile those description with a person. Has he brought a new religion and religious law?\u201d He said: \u201cYes!\u201d I said: \u201cThis is the onset of fighting. It is definite between you and I that a new owner\u201d of the religious law will come for you to say this is such and such and I say no. because we are waiting for an Imam and leader that will come and call himself as the preacher and the follower of the religion of Islam and will revitalize this religion. So, you should first prove the religion of Islam is not the final one and can be abolished. Then prove that such and such has been the abolisher.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cSir! Witness that he is saying that it must be interpreted! Lest he returns from this confession during the debate! So, first I say proving the basis of religion can be false using the interpretation of the definite words. Second, I say if the interpretation is right as you can do, I can do it, too. Because when the way of interpretation opens, it won\u2019t be limited. He said: \u201cYes, I\u2019ll prove.\u201d I said: \u201cOk, do you use the intellectual or narrative reasons?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He said: \u201cDuring the Excellency Moses and Jesus and some other prophets\u2019 periods of time, it was reported that a person guiding people would come we will say with interpretation that this is the future of the person who has brought a new religion and this is that such and such.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I said: \u201cFirst, we didn\u2019t believe in Moses and Jesus in order to believe in a future person using their words. Anyway, say anything you have and interpret and I will do it too in order to see which one is better.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Then, he started to say some rare and weak narrations using them most of the time to deceive the ordinary people and justified.<\/p>\n<p>I said: \u201cDo you use these as reasons for Seyyed Ali Muhammad\u2019s new religion?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He said: \u201cYes, although isn\u2019t the owner of a new religion, but he is the forerunner of another person called Bahaullah.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I said: \u201cOk, I\u2019ll start. It is reported to us that Dajjal would come before Mahdi and Mahdi would come to clarify his falsehood and to guide people and revitalize the religion of Islam. Now, I interpret that Ali Muhammad Shirazi is the very Dajjal.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u2026<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>In this way, we debated for three hours and that man was defeated. He said: \u201cI promised to repent if I defeated. Now, I repent.\u201d However Alaudduleh said again to hold him. He informed Tehran and it was ordered for Varqa who was of the famous claimants of Baha\u2019ism to be brought to Tehran and imprisoned him in the store. Then, he was killed.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u201cMy biography\u201d The book of the memoirs of Sheikh Ibrahim Zanjani was for the first time published in 1379 by Kavir publishing house. Zanjani called it \u201cMy Biography\u201d. It has been written in six chapters. In this debate, Zanjani condemned Mirza Varqa and then he wrote the book \u201cRaj Al-Dajjal Fi Radd Babul Dhalal\u201d to [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":3075,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[823],"tags":[2048,2046,2050,2044,1922],"class_list":["post-3074","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-english-articles","tag-debate","tag-historical","tag-proving","tag-results","tag-thoughts"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/bahaismiran.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3074","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/bahaismiran.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/bahaismiran.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bahaismiran.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bahaismiran.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=3074"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/bahaismiran.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3074\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":3076,"href":"https:\/\/bahaismiran.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3074\/revisions\/3076"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bahaismiran.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/3075"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/bahaismiran.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=3074"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bahaismiran.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=3074"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bahaismiran.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=3074"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}